9th January 2013

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To all feminist men, male feminist allies, pro-feminist men and self-proclaimed nice guys

If you are a man, I do not want to know your opinions on feminism or women’s liberation or equality.  I do not want you in feminist spaces.  Feminism is not for you.  Your presence within feminism is counter-productive.  I don’t care what your views are - really, you could agree with me on all the major issues and i’d still feel the same way.  Stop inserting yourself into feminist conversations.  Stop inserting yourself into feminist controversies - yes, even (maybe especially) the issues that split feminism, and even the issues where you think some feminists are very wrong.  Even if you think you’re standing up for certain groups of women, its not helpful - those women can almost certainly speak up for themselves and say what’s needed without you speaking over them.  Your input does nothing but confuse and distort the issues and dis-empower women.

And no, there is no such thing as a male feminist, and you can’t bestow the title of ally on yourself - so stop calling yourself a feminist man or feminist ally.  And you only count as pro-feminist if you are actively organising/working with other men and boys to stop male violence against women and girls.  Unless you are not doing this, all of your words about supporting feminism are meaningless. And even if you are doing this active work, you still don’t have a place in feminism.

And don’t even get me started about the “nice guys”.  Nice guys commit sexist and misogynistic acts every day.  Nice guys uphold the patriarchy as much as the “macho” men they dislike.  Nice guys rape and abuse and kill women as often as “macho” men do.  When the news reports on a man committing for a horrific murder there is often a neighbour saying what a nice man he was and how you’d never suspect he was capable of the crime.  So excuse me if i continue to be suspicious about your intentions.  Unless you are actively working with men and boys to stop men’s violence against women you are not helping.

I will repeat - if you want to be pro-feminist, actively work with other men and boys to stop male violence, anything else is not pro-feminist.  If your “pro-feminist” activity is writing blog posts that are not directly aimed at stopping men’s violence, or its going to a feminist reading group, or navel gazing about masculinity, or becoming an expert in feminist theory - you are probably doing more harm than good to the cause of women’s liberation.  If your “pro-feminist” activity involves inserting yourself into feminist groups, or attempting to “take a lead” on feminist issues, or going into a sulk when you are asked to go to the back of a march against men’s violence against women, or getting over-emotional when women you know choose to organise in women-only spaces then you are almost certainly doing harm. 

Women can liberate themselves, we don’t need you to do it for us. But men can stop men’s violence against women.  So get on with it.

And no, you don’t get a cookie.

Tagged: feminismfeminist menpro-feminismpro-feminist menwomen's liberationnice guysfeminist balliesmale allies

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  5. crazy-artist-larp-who-person reblogged this from beautifulbovvs and added:
    Yes, they fucking are. That was incredibly sexist and wrong, telling someone what opinion to have, idiot. Men can be...
  6. beautifulbovvs reblogged this from wtffeminism and added:
    Amen.
  7. bacteriababy reblogged this from womanontheedgeoftyne and added:
    Bitch be trippin’. No really though this is so narrow minded,ignorant and stupid. It barely makes sense. Oh so men can’t...
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    I apologise that my response to this has become a short (poorly structured) essay. Hope you have the time to read and...
  10. wtffeminism reblogged this from clementmoraschi and added:
    RELATIONS!?!” Oh...Please tell me more about how men should be included in feminist...
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    Women and girls are more likely to suffer sexual violence or intimate partner violence / domestic abuse, and certain...
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  16. underthestarssofaraway reblogged this from i-dont-need-feminism and added:
    No, silly! To feminists, only men are ever violent! When women rape children, or kill their kids or abuse their...
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    I think you’re the one who doesn’t belong in your own self-proclaimed “feminist spaces” because clearly, you don’t...
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  19. i-dont-need-feminism reblogged this from womanontheedgeoftyne and added:
    It is, however, sexist to say that men cannot be a part of feminism, should not participate in it, debate feminist...
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    So in some of the reblogs there are guys complaining about a lack of inclusion. What exactly about FEMinism do you not...
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